tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383512304639632735.post1538123248835227183..comments2024-01-23T07:34:52.253-08:00Comments on Copyrights & Campaigns: Tenenbaum takes the stand: I used P2P and lied about itBen Sheffnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06477793715765992689noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383512304639632735.post-68135877420067111042009-07-31T07:55:36.001-07:002009-07-31T07:55:36.001-07:00To anon 7:45
"Or we could ruin someone financ...To anon 7:45<br />"Or we could ruin someone financially for life like they did Jammie Thomas. How would you feel if this was you? I mean there is making an example out of someone and then there is being greedy, vindictive and spiteful."<br /><br />Having been a songwriter my entire life---not an artist or major label whom your ilk seems to love to vilify, I know exactly how I'd feel if this was me. I've seen at least half of my friends and co-workers in the musical food chain "made an example of" and driven out of business by p2p. There is a astounding degree of vindictiveness and spitefulness towards anyone who actually does this for a living and tries to protect their creations. Hate it for Joel, but there were over 800 songs in his folder. He could have settled for about 5 bux a song. Instead he threw in with geniuses like Nesson who wanted to make this a referendum on who knows what, his sweater? He's getting nailed by his own hubris.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383512304639632735.post-14987291493723957342009-07-31T07:15:37.922-07:002009-07-31T07:15:37.922-07:007:45 Anonymous - I think you've missed most of...7:45 Anonymous - I think you've missed most of the reporting on this case. If you have been paying attention, you'd know that the RIAA made multiple settlement offers that should have been pretty reasonable for Tenenbaum to accept.<br /><br />In this case, the defense is the side that has chosen to ratchet up the stakes and be "vindictive."Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383512304639632735.post-55011983050688543312009-07-30T19:45:13.573-07:002009-07-30T19:45:13.573-07:00To Anonymous at July 30, 2009 5:23 PM:
How about ...To Anonymous at July 30, 2009 5:23 PM:<br /><br />How about making the punishment fit the crime? So he downloaded ~30 songs at 99 cents each. That comes to about $29.70 total lost to the "wonderful" record labels. So make him pay about 10 times that and let it go. Or we could ruin someone financially for life like they did Jammie Thomas. How would you feel if this was you? I mean there is making an example out of someone and then there is being greedy, vindictive and spiteful like they are trying to do here and like they did with Jammie Thomas.<br /><br />I do hope to $DIETY, that the jury has a modicrum of common sense and doesn't hand down the kind of lifelong punishment that will hound this kid for the rest of his life.<br /><br />All over ~30 dollars of song files. Yeah, maybe he lied during his earlier deposition, but is that still any reason to ruin someone financially for the next 40 - 50 years of their life?<br /><br />Sheesh, what a way to go through life. I bet you're the kind of person that would sue over a papercut or something similiarly small and overall inconsequential.<br /><br />I feel sorry for you Anonymous, you must have a pretty sad outlook on life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383512304639632735.post-67238567200373511822009-07-30T18:58:44.682-07:002009-07-30T18:58:44.682-07:00Also, didn't he just admit that he lied in a c...Also, didn't he just admit that he lied in a court proceeding? Isn't that perjury? I guess it's a question of whether or not he was under oath at the time.<br /><br />****<br /><br />Although once Judge Gertner shot down the Fair Use defense, he really didn't have anything left. His whole plan was to bamboozle the jury with meta-arguments about whether or not the law was valid (along with a lot of trash-talking the music industry to get sympathy points.)halojones-fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05473935330204075559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383512304639632735.post-42468760205835177202009-07-30T17:23:13.585-07:002009-07-30T17:23:13.585-07:00Well, there you have it. The truth about motives o...Well, there you have it. The truth about motives of p2p'ers. Was it what we've been hearing for the past 10 years; the labels didn't adapt fast enough to the new digital world? No. The RIAA are greedy pigs? No. Major label music sucks? Not that either<br />From the mouth of Joel....<br />“It was great… It was like this giant library in front of you with all sorts of songs... It’s all up there... It’s like the Google of music... You have this list of songs, and you can get them really easily.”<br /><br />I'll await the guilty verdict and significant damages. Hope Nesson will now reserve his brilliance for the classroom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5383512304639632735.post-4013008470048347942009-07-30T16:22:43.292-07:002009-07-30T16:22:43.292-07:00Throwing his own mother under the train might actu...Throwing his own mother under the train might actually be worse than Thomas selling out her own kids. An admission under oath that she counseled him to falsify his declarations most certainly would open her up to possible disciplinary procedures, wouldn't it?<br /><br />Mass. follows the Model Rules, and 8.4(a) makes it professional misconduct to, inter alia, "knowingly assist or induce another to" "violate ... the Rules of Professional Conduct." Her assistance in counseling the defendant to make false statements would seem to run afoul of the prohibition of making false statements to a tribunal in 3.3.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com